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Title: If I had the coin....
Post by: Jock on September 07, 2011, 09:31:25 PM
In our travels we all find bikes that we WISH we could buy..... IF WE HAD THE COIN to do so.

This thread is all about that, for members to post up their finds - bikes must be Vinduro or VMX related of course!

I'm going first with this beautiful 1982 Can Am Qualifier 4.

(http://vinduro.com.au/images/the_coin/canam_1.jpg)

(http://vinduro.com.au/images/the_coin/canam_2.jpg)

(http://vinduro.com.au/images/the_coin/canam_3.jpg)

(http://vinduro.com.au/images/the_coin/canam_4.jpg)






Title: Re: If I had the coin....
Post by: Jock on March 14, 2012, 03:20:26 PM
Who's next?  ;)
Title: Re: If I had the coin....
Post by: 2fITy.J on March 14, 2012, 11:59:50 PM
If I had a pic, I would probably have the bike...so without an impromptu search, load and post...

If I had the coin, a '73 RT 450 Ducati Scrambler would be arriving any day now.

All I got is a 250 I milled around at Castella...

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l626/BrangaTangTang/DSCN0795Medium.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l626/BrangaTangTang/DSCN0797Medium.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l626/BrangaTangTang/DSCN0796Medium.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l626/BrangaTangTang/DSCN0800Medium-1.jpg)


Cheers,
Chris.
Title: Re: If I had the coin....
Post by: Jock on March 15, 2012, 12:11:49 AM
If I had a pic, I would probably have the bike...so without an impromptu search, load and post...

If I had the coin, a '73 RT 450 Ducati Scrambler would be arriving any day now.

All I got is a 250 I milled around at Castella...


How about this...

http://www.earlyyearsofmx.com/images/bikes/ducatiRT450.jpg

And some light reading...

Ducati sprung to life by making a small bicycle engine to transport the war-ravaged Italian citizens. In 1946, the Cucciolo (little puppy) engine was originally sold in a box to be attached to a bicycle. Before WWII, Ducati had produced radio tubes and condensers, but thanks to the Cucciolo’s success, Ducati became a name brand motorcycle manufacturer. By 1954, Ducati was producing 120 bikes a day. Even more momentous in ’54 was the arrival of engineer Fabio Taglioni. Taglioni’s big idea was to control valve float by having the valves positively opened and closed without using valve springs. The main benefit of his desmodromic system was the prevention of valve float. Valve float can cause a catastrophic collision between the piston and valve or, at the very least, create poor valve seal. The desmodromic system eliminates valve float by using dual rocker arms on each valve (one for opening and one for closing the valve). The Ducati 450 R/T was the first and only motocross bike to be outfitted with desmodromic valves.

In 1969 a 350cc Desmo Ducati actually won the Baja 500 piloted by desert ace Doug McClure. Following this success, U.S. importer Berliner Motor Corporation requested a off-road 450cc version of the 350 TSS being sold in Europe to compete against the popular BSA 441 Victor. The 450 R/T (road/trail), as it was called, was built exclusively for the American market and was finished in brite yellow.

Though the engine was quite powerful, the frame was heavy and rigid. The frame would also prove to be poorly designed as the engine was placed too far rearward and coupled with a very short swingarm, the Ducati was difficult to turn. By 1971, four-strokes had fallen out of favor with most off-road riders and the 450 R/T would only be imported into America in that year.


And a print advertisement...

(http://classic-motorbikes.net/images/gallery/9808.jpg)

And one more pic for good measure...

(http://cybermotorcycle.com/gallery/ducati_rt450/images/Ducati_RT450_PA_001.jpg)
Title: Re: If I had the coin....
Post by: 2fITy.J on March 15, 2012, 12:19:22 AM
 ;D  8)
Thanks Jock...will hunt down the pic that didn't show up.

There is usually one on US ebay for about 4-6k, they fetch 9-10k here.... ::)

Sigh......
Title: Re: If I had the coin....
Post by: Tex on March 15, 2012, 02:12:47 PM
MZ GE 250, from the early to mid eighties. I don't know why, but something about them appeals to me. I don't even know if they were any good. As far as I can work out not that many were made, and I don't think any ever made it to Australia.

(http://www.isdt.eu/mediac/450_0/media/MZ250GE$20001.jpg)

(http://www.mz-heinz.de/mz_heinz_bilddateien/images_old/mz_etz_modelle/mz_ge_250.jpg)

(http://www.christians-garage.de/MZ250/MZ-im-Flug.jpg)

(http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3672/mz002.jpg)

Tex

[Images from isdt.eu, mz-heinz, rugginose-deutsch, and Christan’s Garage websites]
Title: Re: If I had the coin....
Post by: Jock on March 15, 2012, 02:48:00 PM
Do you reckon the Ag style chain guard helped?
Title: Re: If I had the coin....
Post by: Tex on March 15, 2012, 03:52:59 PM
The ones on ag bikes do wonders for chain longevity, so I suppose it is a valid concept. After that state my chain was in after Three Bridges it could've used something like that.

Tex
Title: Re: If I had the coin....
Post by: S.O.C on March 15, 2012, 11:09:17 PM

     The first Bultaco Matador i had had a fully enclosed chain that was only a 420

     i thought it was a bit Poofy at first but after a few Rides i would not be

     without it at least you could ride all day and not have to adjust the chain

     no O ring chains then..
Title: Re: If I had the coin....
Post by: 2fITy.J on March 15, 2012, 11:24:08 PM
I don't know why, but something about them appeals to me.
Tex

Are you a coffin tank, radial fin Maico fan too Tex?

I had a very brief ride of a "radical" new firey orange Maico 400 in 1973...frightened the bejeezers outa me, I was 15.

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l626/BrangaTangTang/MaicoRadialfin.jpg)

I saw a lot of European brands on grasstrack when I was a little tacker, they all looked very angry bikes with a lot to say. Now the bike pics website is reminiscing headquarters for me some nights...... :o

Cheers,
Chris.
Title: Re: If I had the coin....
Post by: Brooksie on March 16, 2012, 01:43:33 AM
Noice choice there Tex. I think there was a big story on the MZ brand in one of the issues of VMX. Also there is the Stealing Speed book that did the rounds on the Yamaha IT forum which highlighted the work of Kadden, the defection of Degner to Suzuki and the MZ brand.
  From everything I've read they were pretty good. Way behind the Japs in most things like alot of little bike manufacturers of the time but I can see the attraction. The fact that some bikes, not just MZ's but others with far out their designs or awkward stances and being painted with the ugly stick is what makes them appealing.
  I would have to agree I'd own one. As for the Can Am, never ridden one would love to or own anything with a  Rotax motor.
Title: Re: If I had the coin....
Post by: 465 on March 16, 2012, 01:53:22 AM
Auto Husky would be nice:

(http://kellymotodepoca.com/images/Husky_420_auto_1982.jpg)


if I had really deep pockets a TX or TE 510:

(http://www.motorradonline.de/sixcms/media.php/11/thumbnails/SCAN_Sportenduros_03.jpg-V_$%7B15662043%7D.jpg.995589.jpg)

I'd honestly be happy with a DT1:

(http://www.motorcycleclassics.com/uploadedImages/Articles/Issues/2008-05-01/Yamaha3.jpg)

Cheers!
Leslie
Title: Re: If I had the coin....
Post by: Brooksie on March 16, 2012, 02:12:38 AM
Les, Les, Les. How did I know you were going to post a pic of a TE510. Back when Husky made real bikes. A gorgeous looking bike with performance to match. I remember the stories you told me about the one your brother owned, Awesome, love the twin pipes too. Yep deep pockets for that one.
Title: Re: If I had the coin....
Post by: Tex on March 16, 2012, 12:12:54 PM
Quote
Are you a coffin tank, radial fin Maico fan too Tex?

Sure, why not?  :D

Tex
Title: Re: If I had the coin....
Post by: Trav Man on March 17, 2012, 12:39:06 AM
I would have ANOTHER one of these puppies as I'm spewing I ever got rid of the first one
Yamaha 1977 IT400E
(http://advrider.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=161002&stc=1&d=1207688268)
Title: Re: If I had the coin....
Post by: Tex on March 19, 2012, 12:00:26 PM
Here's another for me... Bultaco Frontera 370 (250 version shown below)

(http://dayerses.com/data_images/posts/bultaco-370-frontera/bultaco-370-frontera-10.jpg)

Tex

[Pic from dayerses.com]
Title: Re: If I had the coin....
Post by: Jock on March 19, 2012, 12:26:40 PM
Go the Spaniards!
Title: Re: If I had the coin....
Post by: ukaf on March 21, 2012, 11:22:55 AM
MZ GE 250, from the early to mid eighties. I don't know why, but something about them appeals to me. I don't even know if they were any good. As far as I can work out not that many were made, and I don't think any ever made it to Australia.

(http://www.isdt.eu/mediac/450_0/media/MZ250GE$20001.jpg)

(http://www.mz-heinz.de/mz_heinz_bilddateien/images_old/mz_etz_modelle/mz_ge_250.jpg)

(http://www.christians-garage.de/MZ250/MZ-im-Flug.jpg)

(http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3672/mz002.jpg)

Tex

[Images from isdt.eu, mz-heinz, rugginose-deutsch, and Christan’s Garage websites]

I'm new here, I'll find the introductions bit and do a bit in there but for now.

The bikes in the photos are Top: GE250, 2nd GT250, 3rd GT???, bottom GE250

The GT bikes are the full on factory stuff ridden by the East German enduro stars (Jens Scheffler, Harald Sturm, Uwe Weber and others).  The bikes were designed and built to win enduro and they did a good job.  That bike is 1982/1983 I think.  They are twin shock, just mounted at the front of the swing arm.

The GE bikes are a replica GT chassis with a TS250 street bike engine - from what I know there aren't any common parts between the GT and GE engines and I've read that the GT was 20kg lighter than the GE.

The GT is unobtanium; a guy in Germany has several and the factory riders from back in the day get to ride them occasionally in Vinduro.  Although I'm pretty sure none is for sale I've heard the price of 30,000 Euros (38,000 AUD) mentioned several times.  No engine parts are available and the chassis parts will be pretty much used up too so it'd be a brave (rich) man who used one in anger.

The GE250 (Kleinserie) was built around 1988/89 and was made available for sale to the public (the GT was never sold).  By the time it arrived it was hopelessly out dated, heavy and slow (the TS250 street bike engine has maybe 20bhp).  You'd think that it'd be a real lemon then and they'd all be sold for scrap. I tried to buy one last year for 8,000 euro (10,000 AUD) and was out bidded.  One day I will get one, if I won the lottery I would have a GT too - perferably one of Scheffler's 500s and never mind the price.

What's the fascination I have with them?  The bikes were so just cool and surrounded in Iron Curtain secrecy.  My friend rode Harald Sturm's bike - and Sturm rode Derrick's Honda.  Derrick says the MZ was ok but it's a good job Sturm didn't ride Honda all the time!



Title: Re: If I had the coin....
Post by: Tex on March 21, 2012, 11:47:18 AM
Thanks for that ukaf, I really enjoyed learning more about these. I knew that there was a version with 2 shocks mounted at the front, but didn't realise what the difference actually meant. (I couldn't see the twin shocks in the second pic I posted).

Quote
What's the fascination I have with them?  The bikes were so just cool and surrounded in Iron Curtain secrecy.

I think that's why I like them so much, plus the fact that there wouldn't be many (if any) here in Australia. Based on what you've said, I'd really like a GT, but would be happy with a GE. Given the prices you've quoted, I would say it's extremely unlikely I'll own or ride either!

I've always had a soft spot for the ETZ road bikes too...

Tex
Title: Re: If I had the coin....
Post by: Tex on May 16, 2012, 02:57:38 AM
Bultaco Alpina 350  :D

Tex
Title: Re: If I had the coin....
Post by: S.O.C on May 16, 2012, 09:09:41 AM

     The Alpina were a good bike tex my mate and i bought
     Yamaha DT1's new .
      He could not ride his for Sh## on rocky hills at all 1st gear
       too high on that model (  Plus back then trails were not
       Graded smooth like today you had Fallen trees every where
       and Rocks and more Rocks on Hills )
       Any How he bought a 250 Alpina and there was not many
       places he could not go after that.. They were realy just the
       Trials bike with a bigger tank better seat and wider gear ratioe's
       They were a good Package..

       Poppy...
Title: Re: If I had the coin....
Post by: edgarrison on July 24, 2012, 05:28:10 PM
I wish i had a pic of it, I remember seeing a Maico 790 motocross bike in a dirtbike magazine back in the late 70's too early 80's. It was a monster. Thought it'd be so fun to attempt too ride it.
Title: Re: If I had the coin....
Post by: Mike52 on July 24, 2012, 07:05:55 PM
I wish i had a pic of it, I remember seeing a Maico 790 motocross bike in a dirtbike magazine back in the late 70's too early 80's. It was a monster. Thought it'd be so fun to attempt too ride it.
For Ed ;D
(http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx172/mike52_photo/montessa/Maico.jpg)
(http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx172/mike52_photo/montessa/760maico.jpg)
Title: Re: If I had the coin....
Post by: 2fITy.J on July 24, 2012, 07:26:32 PM
Hehe.. :o

Silencer quality...fairly quiet   :D

Piston/rings etc $....don't ask   :D
Title: Re: If I had the coin....
Post by: MontyBitza on September 08, 2012, 08:14:36 PM
Probably not within the 'rules' and the spirit of Vinduro but............

(http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn458/mx250syd/Norton/4c12_3.jpg)

(http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn458/mx250syd/Norton/3fea_3.jpg)

(http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn458/mx250syd/Norton/374b_3.jpg)

(http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn458/mx250syd/Norton/3874_3.jpg)

.........these produce serious lust ::).
Title: Re: If I had the coin....
Post by: Frank on September 13, 2012, 10:12:06 PM
A poxy old IT 400??? Evil handling, monster engine .. hello a similar year husky eats them. Stable smooth and they come with an inbuilt gyro. The most memorable thing about an IT is they way they turf you over the bars if you hit 3 whoopdies in a row...guaranteed..i dont like them. The coin would go to a 82 125 husky with the 175 kit. Ideal.
Title: Re: If I had the coin....
Post by: 2fITy.J on September 13, 2012, 10:15:02 PM
A poxy old IT 400??? Evil handling, monster engine .. hello a similar year husky eats them. Stable smooth and they come with an inbuilt gyro. The most memorable thing about an IT is they way they turf you over the bars if you hit 3 whoopdies in a row...guaranteed..i dont like them. The coin would go to a 82 125 husky with the 175 kit. Ideal.


To be frank.....
Title: Re: If I had the coin....
Post by: knudsen on September 13, 2012, 11:46:07 PM
A poxy old IT 400??? Evil handling, monster engine .. hello a similar year husky eats them. Stable smooth and they come with an inbuilt gyro. The most memorable thing about an IT is they way they turf you over the bars if you hit 3 whoopdies in a row...guaranteed..i dont like them. The coin would go to a 82 125 husky with the 175 kit. Ideal.


To be frank.....

Please tell us how you really feel  ;D
Title: Re: If I had the coin....
Post by: 465 on September 14, 2012, 12:50:51 AM
Les, Les, Les. How did I know you were going to post a pic of a TE510. Back when Husky made real bikes. A gorgeous looking bike with performance to match. I remember the stories you told me about the one your brother owned, Awesome, love the twin pipes too. Yep deep pockets for that one.

Here's a pic of Sean's 510TX in 1986:

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/13/tyva2e3u.jpg)

And amazingly the same bike last weekend at CD9:

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/13/ru3ehu2u.jpg)

Cheers!!
Leslie
Title: Re: If I had the coin....
Post by: knudsen on September 14, 2012, 04:08:51 AM
OK, since money is no option, I'll take three  :-*

For show, if I can find one, any of my good mate Steve's old pre-MX converted off roaders:

(http://www.abandonthecube.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/1.jpg)

or one of his old Huskys, preferably autographed by his son:

(http://huskyrestoration.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/mcqueenbysrepublicA-1024x768.jpg)

Then for go:

(http://media.photobucket.com/image/recent/jaxpc/P1010017.jpg)

Then for when the go bike is broken and waiting for parts:

(http://www.suzukipe.com/images/PE400T_1980.jpg)

or

(http://www.ddr.net.au/files/images/USA475%20Yamaha%20IT490%20K%201983.JPG)

I propose a new rule for this thread. Whoever wins the lottery first has to buy us all our dream bikes  :D Especially if it's Les! :D

Title: Re: If I had the coin....
Post by: MontyBitza on September 14, 2012, 12:23:36 PM
A poxy old IT 400??? Evil handling, monster engine .. hello a similar year husky eats them. Stable smooth and they come with an inbuilt gyro. The most memorable thing about an IT is they way they turf you over the bars if you hit 3 whoopdies in a row...guaranteed..i dont like them. The coin would go to a 82 125 husky with the 175 kit. Ideal.

Mmmmmmm, you might be right 8).

(http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn458/mx250syd/enduro/125WR-82-g.jpg)

But for looks alone.....this is where my coin would go ;D.

(http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn458/mx250syd/enduro/a1980Husqvarna390wrj.jpg)

(although I might take a link or two out of the chain ::) :P)
Title: Re: If I had the coin....
Post by: MontyBitza on September 14, 2012, 12:27:52 PM

I propose a new rule for this thread. Whoever wins the lottery first has to buy us all our dream bikes 


Done Deal!! If that's the price of winning I'll buy you two and take you on a trip to the Philippines so you can show me the neat trails ;) ;D
Title: Re: If I had the coin....
Post by: 465 on September 30, 2012, 03:01:22 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1983-HUSQVARNA-XC-125-AHRMA-/261103684906?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item3ccafe0d2a

the little Huskies are tasty  8)

(http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g3/steelboots/T2eC16FHJGE9nm3pv9EBQYQPcweZQ60_12.jpg)

(http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g3/steelboots/T2eC16FHJHQE9nzEyG4nBQYQPW8rQ60_12.jpg)

(http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g3/steelboots/T2eC16FHJG8E9nyfmHnBBQYQPO6b1Q60_12.jpg)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1982-125-Husqvarna-WR-/200825088303?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item2ec21ba92f#v4-40

(http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g3/steelboots/KGrHqVl0FhHkmETFBQY1VTkyZw60_3.jpg)

(http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g3/steelboots/KGrHqRhFjoC095BQY1U7R8V60_3.jpg)

(http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g3/steelboots/KGrHqZrF-YEpP09BQY1UlDlwg60_3.jpg)

(http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g3/steelboots/KGrHqRrgF6n5wJSTBQY1lke60_3.jpg)

(http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g3/steelboots/T2eC16JE9s2fBWywBQY1UVNBkg60_3.jpg)

Cheers!
Leslie
Title: Re: If I had the coin....
Post by: Brooksie on September 30, 2012, 10:46:26 AM
Nice Huskies there Les for sure. The second one WR125 is a bit rough for the money and has a few wrong parts like the tank, and missing headlight, guards etc. Most of this is still available new to put it back to original. That XC is a sweet little ride.
Title: Re: If I had the coin....
Post by: cholmes on November 22, 2012, 02:10:41 PM
In our travels we all find bikes that we WISH we could buy..... IF WE HAD THE COIN to do so.

This thread is all about that, for members to post up their finds - bikes must be Vinduro or VMX related of course!

I'm going first with this beautiful 1982 Can Am Qualifier 4.

(http://vinduro.com.au/images/the_coin/canam_1.jpg)

(http://vinduro.com.au/images/the_coin/canam_2.jpg)

(http://vinduro.com.au/images/the_coin/canam_3.jpg)

(http://vinduro.com.au/images/the_coin/canam_4.jpg)








I had the opportunity to ride one of these in the late 70's.. And it was a beast.. It had one of the biggest hits when it came on the pipe I have ever felt...
Title: Re: If I had the coin....
Post by: BruceD_500 on December 19, 2012, 02:40:03 PM
If I had a pic, I would probably have the bike...so without an impromptu search, load and post...

If I had the coin, a '73 RT 450 Ducati Scrambler would be arriving any day now.

All I got is a 250 I milled around at Castella...

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l626/BrangaTangTang/DSCN0795Medium.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l626/BrangaTangTang/DSCN0797Medium.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l626/BrangaTangTang/DSCN0796Medium.jpg)

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l626/BrangaTangTang/DSCN0800Medium-1.jpg)


Cheers,
Chris.

That bike is sweet I wish I had more detailed photos of that one . Here's mine . I'm pretty sure I've sent you photos of this one back in 2009 Jock

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e187/bruced_500/IMG_0525.jpg)

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e187/bruced_500/IMG_0526.jpg)
Title: Re: If I had the coin....
Post by: dont on November 26, 2014, 12:40:51 AM
This would look nice next to my '86 Elefant

If I could get the link to work :(

Title: Re: If I had the coin....
Post by: junglebiker on August 28, 2018, 11:06:49 PM
I'd try to get back my '76 YZ400C.  I don't have any pictures of it, (cameras still used film back then and I never had the foresight to buy any), but it looked kind of like this one.

(http://www.cyclechaos.com/images/thumb/9/94/1976-Yamaha-YZ400C-Yellow-514-6.jpg/613px-1976-Yamaha-YZ400C-Yellow-514-6.jpg)

Was it perfect?  Of course not.  But I bought it as a worn-out, rusty, chewed-up and semi-abandoned piece of junk then completely rebuilt it.  I wish I'd never sold it.  If you reading this are in Upper East Tennessee and have a '76 YZ400C, PM me.